Are Psychiatric Medications Causing More Mental Illness?

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A special report on WBUR’s CommonHealth blog pits two prominent adversaries against each other on an important issue.

A local science journalist and author, Robert Whitaker, says in his recent book, “Anatomy of an Epidemic: Magic Bullets, Psychiatric Durgs, and the Astonishing Rise of Mental Illness in America,” that the long-term use of these popular psychiatric medications is actually causing more mental illness — not less.

Whitaker says his research which examines for the first time the long-term effects of psychiatric drugs, shows that these medications are often making diseases such as depression and schizophrenia worse, not better. He points to a major increase in the number of people getting federal disability benefits for mental illness who are taking these medications as a sign that the drugs are, in fact, contributing to chronic mental illness in America. For example, Whitaker points out that between 1987 and 2007, “the number of disabled mentally ill children rose thirty-five fold.”

Whitaker’s claims are refuted by academic psychiatrists here in Boston.

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  • Chuck

    I have ADD. Before being diagnosed and treated I graduated from college Phi Beta Kappa. Now with ADD meds, I can’t read more than 4 pages a day.

    With my anti-depressants I’m more depressed than I have ever been, and I’ve tried about 20 different ones.

    I have ADD, OCD, and depression.

    • vrth

      THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE: GET OFF THE DRUGS.

      • Duane Sherry, M.S.

        The answer is to get off the drugs – slowly and safely.
        A good book on the subject is by Psychiatrist, Peter Breggin, M.D. and David Cohen, Ph.D. -
        ‘Your Drug May be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Psychiatric Medications -

        http://www.amazon.com/Your-Drug-May-Problem-Psychiatric/dp/0738203483

        My best,

        Duane Sherry, M.S.
        discoverandrecover.wordpress.com

  • amanda

    i was put on several medications for depression and remained on the drugs for several years all the while going to a pyschotherapist once per week. when the time came for me to stop taking those drugs i was told that i would need other meds to help curb the side effects of withdrawl. lexapro was the most debilitating with respect to withdrawl symptoms…it took about 6 months. while i found benefits (coping with stress) to taking some of the SSRIs it was really shocking how much my brain chemistry had changed due to the dosage.

  • Angie

    Maybe the parents are trying to get SSI dollars and they get a diagnosis for their kids. Then they get on disability list to get the money.

  • Catherine

    A caller just mentioned that Ritalin was prescribed by his PCP. A friend of mine was prescribed Prozac by her PCP for “seasonal affectation disorder. It seemed fairly obvious to her friends that she was depressed over some severe financial troubles. Could the rise in disabling mental illness be connected to drugs being used as a bandaid by generalists? It seems that the drugs might be being used in lieu of a referral to a specialist who might give more comprehensive treatment.

  • Jo Gent

    Saying that significant portions of our children and adults are mentally ill enough to need meds implies that a significant portion of us are not normal. If most of us are abnormal, that’s the new normal. More likely, we too quickly reach for meds in the US. It’s ok for children to be active and for adults to sometimes be sad. I also am skeptical that the billions of dollars to be made on these meds are completely unrelated to our demand. How to other Western countries compare?

  • Bill

    I have bipolar anxiety and depression and have been on dozen of drug with dozens of combinations. I do feel that medication is a part of treatment but is by know means the answer to my problems. I dont feel comfortable just getting off my meds but do struggle with the fact that i have been on medication since i was 9 (now 22) and am curious about the long term health effects these medications have?

  • Bobj

    Seems to me, based on the arguments being posited, that the broad brush being painted by Dr Whitaker ignores the specificity of a patients prescription by A specific doctor. Good or bad. While there may be an issue in proper diagnosis and appropriately prescribed drugs per patient, to summarize the drugs as the cause seems both potentially dangerous and ignorant of A specific patients needs.

  • Rachel

    I think we all need to pay more attention to Angie and Catherine’s comments about the greater problem of the state of our health care system. There are not enough mental health specialists and too much incentive for SSI. Perhaps we should pay more attention to society’s role in this epidemic and not blame our limited knowledge for our problems.

    Additionally, I would strongly urge those interested to read Judith Warner’s “We’ve Got Issues” for an alternative view of our psychopharmocological treatments.

  • Jenn Clark

    Jenny Clark,
    “The Cure is worst than the disease.” ~Latin Phrase
    Just turn 30 years old, and according to my PCP I suffer from severe anxiety, PTS, & clinical depression. The prescribe treatment: 6 different medications that the side affects are worst than the actual disorders. it has been almost two years since I stop the meds I chosed to treat my mental disorder with organic foods and plenty of exercise. I refused to harm my physical being in trying to cure/control a mental disorter. -J

  • Bryan

    Robert Whitaker’s interpretation of studies that show people who go off of medication have better long term prognoses is fundamentally flawed. He has so far failed to acknowledge that people who go off of medication may have less severe disease than those who stay medicated. Since their disorder is less severe, they are more likely to stop medication and more likely to have an improved prognosis. On the other side, those with more severe disorders may need to remain medicated and the severity of their disease may mean that their long term prognosis will never approach that of a person who’s underlying disorder was less severe to begin with.

  • jennifer

    Dr. Wittaker has clearly established a link between medication and dissability and decreased long term outcomes, but I have yet to hear him discuss causality. It would seem that there are many other possible explanations for this link such as the increased availability of drugs would also make it easier to go on dissability and not have to work?

  • http://www.fibrowitch.net fibrowitch

    I have lupus. Doctors have been trying for years to give me psychiatric medications. While having lupus is depressing (constant pain, early painful death) I don’t want to take pills that will ‘make me feel better’. Unless your giving me a drug that will stop my own bodies attempt to kill me. Cure lupus and I’ll be the happiest person on the planet. Not manic happy, but happy non the less.

  • Beth

    I’m surprised that more wasn’t made of the power of the pharmaceutical industry vis a vis these drugs. The pharma industry the source and funder of physicians’ CE (continuing education). Plus drug reps lobby aggressively and spend tons of money to get doctors to write scripts for their drugs.

  • Julia Sher

    I’m shocked Dr. Whitaker is being taken so seriously at all. His premise is not rational. Dr. Neiremberg’s analogy was about accidents was good, but even more on point would be analogizing it to Cancer treatment. The more insidious the case, the more aggressively (and longer) its treated – and you are less likely to have a positive outcome. Of course its no one’s preference to take medications that can have nasty side effects, but its all a risk/benefit analysis one has to make with their doctor. Every caller who was anti-medication could be easily rebutted, eg; if a bi-polar patient is given an anti-depressant without a mood stabilizer, they will likely become manic (and possibly suicidal) – - If your doctor seems not to care about you, get a new doctor. I am amazed in this day and age there are still people out there trying to preach that psychiatric medications are not helpful. this guy is dangerous to many truly ill people.

  • Aaron

    I have battled depression and my brother still contends with ADD. Our reactions to medications have been wildly different, but we both find that the side effects are extremely negative in our cases. However, my brother was diagnosed at a much earlier age while my medication didn’t start until much later in my brain development.

    Aren’t we, as a people, a little bit afraid of the long term effects of changing brain chemistry while the brain is still in its most critical stages of development? Further, I question why it seems that Dr. Whitaker must bear the burden of proof that medicating psychiatric problems may not always be good. Shouldn’t the burden of the efficacy of procedures that alter brain chemistry be on the providers that push them? Finally, when I was prescribed anti-depressant medication, I was told that I would have to just guess and check because we had little way of really telling the affect of medications on my mind. When I came of the pills that I took to make my reality less intense, I rewarded myself each day with the thought that once again, my mind would be mine and not the play thing of someone whose investment in me might be defined with by a dollar symbol.

  • Rachel

    Please note that Robert Whitaker is not a doctor and is representing a journalistic viewpoint to this issue.

  • Julia S

    Thank you for pointing that out, Rachel. Now I think he’s even more irresponsible.

  • Chuck

    Why is it even legal for a PCP to prescribe psychiatric meds? PCPs have an important role to play in our health care system, but a lot of people go to them for ailments for which they really need a specialist.

    Or is it really the stigma of seeing a psychiatrist? I once met someone who balked at the idea of taking “psychiatric medications,” but then said she took anti-depressants.

    She wasn’t a retard. She was an idiot.

  • John

    To those advocating for medication, I would like to suggest you try these medications. I suggest you need to experience the effects of serotonin toxicity and the potential deadly effects of neuroleptic malignant syndrome to understand exactly what you are advocating. Also be aware as your trying these medication they may permanently alter your brain structure. You may never be the same which in your cases might be for the better.

    I’m going to speak as one who is seriously mentally ill, one who has been on some of the most powerful antipsychotics that are available, one who has experienced serotonin toxicity and neuroleptic malignant syndrome and most important one who can speak as a patient. For the seriously mentally ill, medications don’t work, it doesn’t stop the psychosis, the depression or the anxiety. Basically, medication disable you mentally. You become helpless and let me tell you that is the worse feeling in the world. You, the public, may feel safer with a violent psychotic like myself medicated but my life isn’t worth your safety.

    There are many people on psychiatric medication that shouldn’t be medicated. Not everyone is seriously mentally ill, refractory, medication resistant. However, everyone is being treated as though they are seriously mentally ill. Once you are medicated here, you are medicated for life. That is just wrong. After a few years of being medicated, you are not taking someone off these medications– it is too late. Their brains have been permanently altered. Psychiatric medicine has created a monster and I have no idea how to fix it. I just know it sucks being on this side of the problem.

    • npkjrwxz

      I have severe and persistent MI as well. I am able to live in society and not put others in danger. I have seen too many violent criminals try to persuade judges to show lieniency for anti social behavior. My ex just got put away finally, 25yrs for gouging a mans eye out. Enough was enough. All violent men should be tagged, medicated, and watched.

  • http://www.chrisahickey.com Chrisa Hickey

    My son has refractory, med resistant, early onset Schizoaffective Disorder, Bipolar Type.

    We refused to medicate him until he tried to kill himself.

    At age 8.

    We took him off meds again from 11-12. We only tried them again when his psychosis was so intense he required inpatient hospitalizations – 5 in a year.

    Parents don’t WANT to put their kids on psychotropic medication.

    Oh – FYI. My kid doesn’t qualify for SSI because of my income. Think, Angie, before you type.

    Try reading Judith Warner’s book, We’ve Got Issues.

  • http://moonlight975424.wordpress.com Loretta Wilson

    Now it makes perfect sense to say, I went to sleep in my 40′s and awakened only to find that I had aged and am nearing 70. The side effects of psych drugs were horrendous at best. The drugs clouded my ability to think. It now appears they hampered my ability to remember those years as well. My suspicions about the drugs being the CAUSE and not a cure, thus ECT, is now validated. The drugs made it difficult to form new memories, while Electroshock destroyed much of what I had.

    When I was being treated, I was given 17 different labels. Over 35 different drugs were prescribed, much of the time combined in “Drug Cocktails”. Since the side effects were so problematic and the ECT so destructive, the time came when I felt; I either have to get over this, or I have to get it over with (statement in medical record).

    I am so thankful that God knew the end from the beginning and I am well today in spite of psychiatry!
    Actually, it is quite comforting to read from the writings of Robert Whitaker. Thank you Sir!

  • blythebarne

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  • http://1prophetspeaks.com 1prophetspeaks.com

    I once had a dr testify that ‘schizo-affective” is a label we use for someone we don’t know what else to call. The hospitals hold people for long period of time just to get the insurance money; it is slavery. they label everyone because they need a diagnosis to do it. I have been on the anti-psychotics & the side effects can be torture. they are what drive some people to suicide & violence. Psychiatry is atheism masquerading as science: they define spiritual experiences and beliefs as symptoms of psychosis. Most people called ‘schizophrenic’ are not ill; they are Christians. 90% of the psych patients are christians. 90% of the drs are atheists. the problem is theological, not biological. Read my free book about atheistic psychiatry & their toxic drugs & how to heal mental & physical illness thru prayer; MANUAL FOR TRANSFORAMTIONAL HEALING-GOD’S ANSWER TO PSYCHIATRY AT 1prophetspeaks.com

    The solution to the damage done by the drugs is to pray for God to heal you; he can.

    The bible says mental & physical illness is caused by demonic oppression; Jesus cast out demons and gave his followers authority to do it. It works. All drugs are openings for demonic oppression; this includes caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, pot, lsd etc & all psych meds. THis is why the psych meds cause mental illness rather than help. 1prophetspeaks.com

  • joanne

    From my experience, I have learned some doctors listen, but some doctors don’t. Learning to speak up for myself and really stick to what I am trying to explain, have many times not been taken seriously. These doctors were educated at Harvard and some did internships at Beth Isrel. Not to name name, but How much do you really know about the doctor? Are they willing to talk about themselves?

  • joanne

    the important thing about doctors is : do they listen, truly listen and take you seriously. Are they willing to talk about their background, where they interned, where they went to school ? Some doctors listen, and some have pat answers. Sometimes its the luck of the draw when you don’t have someone assisting you who the doctor takes seriously. Bottom line is, do they respect where you’re coming from.

  • Patrick Tracey

    I’m looking for somebody who hears voices to come on a TV show called Hearing Voices, preferably with your family. The show is production of JWM Productions, which has produced award-winning shows for the Discovery Channel, the History Channel, and the National Geographic Channel. I am a journalist and author with many people in my family who hear voices. I am slated to be the host.

    The show does not stress the mainstream medical model that tends to pathologize the experience of auditory hallucination. The emphasis is on improvement and recovery.

    Hearing Voices takes the view that many more people have the experience than would care to admit it, due to stigmatization, and that hearing voices does not make you crazy. In fact most are quite sane.

    However, the show does not flinch from the fact that these voices can be hellish. The show simply emphasizes nonjudgmental, compassionate listening to people who hear voices to break down the stigma that comes from a society that shuns it, a media that sensationalizes it, and a mental health care system that largely fails it.

    We have a lot of it in my family, so this show is looking for other familes and people who hear voices to talk with me and my family about the experience openly and without fear of judgment or ridicule.

    It won’t be easy to come on TV to speak about it. That’s a very courageous step. But my family is out in the open with it and so we seek another family that’s out in the open with it to help us break the stigma.

    Kindly respond to Patrick Tracey at hearingvoicesshow@gmail.com

    • vrth

      It is quite normal for people to hear voices – subpersonality structure of the mind in voice dialogue. The personality structure is compartmentalised and really, a multi-structure, multi-faceted overall ego. We have parts of our personality of which contradict another part and so on… This is the normal workings of the mind. Urge you to check out the work of Dr.Stan Grof with regards to ‘transpersonal psychology’, and also Dr.Hal/Sidra Stone’s Voice Dialogue.

  • http://www.addictionwatch.com R NewmanII

    All drugs are toxins and have toxics effects on the body. While sometimes drugs are needed, only a very small percentage of people need them for mental problems. There are better ways to handle mood swings, anxiety, and depression that do not have the side effects. Please check out. http://www.breggin.com or http://www.drugawareness.org

  • Suz

    There are deep and unhealthy ties between the pharmaceutical industry and academic psychiatry. For example, I have heard that Dr. Nierenberg, who is debating Mr. Whitaker in this interview, receives or received support from Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Forest Laboratories, GlaxoSmithKline, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Lichtwer Pharm, Pfizer, and Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories to name a few.

    Can we really trust academic psychiatrists to faithfully serve two masters – both Truth and drug money?

  • jungle

    Psychiatry is quackery.
    It is all about the money.
    It would be naive to think
    that all the pharma companies do is care about you.

  • Patty

    I think Robert Whitaker’s thoughts about mental health treatment is mostly correct. It squares with my family’s experience, as one example. I also read his book. It is very clear, in any case, that psychiatrists breeze by any concerns about damage that these medications can cause, and make false promises about how effective the treatments will be – as if you will be all better when you take them.

    I ran out of treatment options for bipolar disorder aftermore than 10 years, trying more than 20 medications alone and in combinations, at varying dosages, and ECT. I consulted several psychiatrists thru the years, some at prestigious hospitals. I was in the hospital every year, and fought suicide daily. I felt this intense need to claw my face off, or stab my chest open with scissors, for hours most every day. Finally, I gave up, decided to be nice to my husband for one year and go fishing with him a lot, then hang myself at the end of that year. I tapered off the medications because they didn’t help and they made me so cognitively impaired that I couldn’t control my behavior & made me verbally aggressive (my doc knew I was doing this).

    I’ve been off meds for 9 months now, and I am functioning better than I have for many years (but not as well as I did before I took any meds), and my husband, therapist and social worker are very happy I am not taking pills. I get in few arguments anymore – I got my normal temperament back, like I was before meds. I’m still terribly depressed and not able to work a paid job, but I no longer feel the intense need to claw my face off. It appears that many psych drugs thru the years have caused this side effect (and a bunch of other horrible ones, like severe weight gain and violent nightmares etc). I’m thinking akathisia maybe.

    My brother had different awful problems. He got disfiguring neurological problems, most likely from lithium – he barks like a dog, his body jerks, etc – tardive tourette’s disorder. The brain damage is permanent. Now he is terribly embarrassed in addition to coping with bipolar.

    It turns out I was going to kill myself because of my pills’ horrible emotional and behavioral side effects. I couldn’t handle the internal grinding feeling, and the frequent arguments with my spouse were devastating. Both those problems are gone, now. Took about 3 months, I think.

    I loved Robert Whitaker’s book, which I read a few months after I gave up on the pills. I have a math degree, so his analysis was very pleasing to me. Medical studies are designed very poorly and one university I went to offered FREE help from the math department so the medical dept. would do studies that weren’t so embarrassing. The math dept. had a statistics PhD student set aside just for this purpose and NOBODY took advantage of the free help. When I took statistics at a different university, medical studies were usually the examples we used of poor study design – flawed from the beginning.

    Interestingly, I thought many of these meds were helping me, at least initially, but when I went back thru years of psychiatric records and put my mood cycles on a graph, it became clear to me that my moods cycle with the seasons and sunny/overcast weather, and my psychiatrist and I were giving credit to the medications when it was “normal” bipolar mood cycling. Anyone with fluctuating symptoms should chart them over time – you will never, ever figure it out otherwise. I think a lot of depressed people get fooled by their pills in this way, and when they get depressed again, they think the pill’s effect wore off, but it never worked to begin with.

  • http://chas96099.tripod.com Charles Hughes

    Psych meads are not what they are cracked up to be. Most psych meds will make you paranoid and delusional. Makes for rich Dr and screwed up America.

    In my case along with many others we where horribly abused in a very religious surrounding. I grow up in an orphanage in Inglewood California that was ran buy conservative evangelical Baptist. It was during the height of the cold war. When every one was up tight about the threat of world inhalation. I was placed there by the States Child Protection Department because my father had died and my mother was not able to care of us 3 boys. The “childrens homes” called CBH only haired Evangelical types that had had children of there own. They was supposedly screened to prevent any perverts or weirdos. During the time I was there 1956 to 1962 from age 6 to just before my 13th Birthday. It was very stressful times for everyone in America and Europe with the constant nuclear threat. It may sound strange now days but everyone was preoccupied with building bomb shelters and on how to survive the impending nuclear holocaust. No one was concerned that some orphans where being physical or in some cases sexually abused. So all the so called normies that work there was taking out all there frustrations of the world by lining us up and slapping and hitting use kids very chance they got. It wasn’t just the 2 or 3 times a day that we where lined up that we where yield at and slapped around as hared as the 30 to 50 year old could slap us around. Any time your path crossed a staff person they would hall off and slap you across the face as hared as they could. But that was nothing compared to shower time when the House parents would reach their hand into your shower and tern the cold water completely off and the hot water on making you stand there burning in the hot water. They did in order so they could hit you as hared as they can with out leaving any bruises on there of 8 to 12 year old victims. Theses where daily currents for 7 years of my life. As bad as they where they where not as bad as my experiences with treatments for Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. The ETC destroyed me as a person and the medications gave me permanent tardeadiskonesea.

  • http://chas96099.tripod.com Charles Hughes

    Meads are not what they are cracked up to be. Most psych meds will make you paranoid and delusional. All makes for rich Dr and screwed up America.

    In my case along with many others where horribly abused in a very religious surroundings. I grow up in an orphanage in Inglewood California that was ran buy conservative evangelical Baptist. It was during the height of the cold war. When every ones was up tight abut the treat of world inhalation. I was placed there by the States Child Protection Department because my father had died and my mother was not able to care for us 3 boys. The “childrens homes” called CBH only haired Evangelical types that had had children of there own. They supposedly screened to prevent any perverts or weirdoes. During the time I was there 1956 to 1962 from age 6 to just before my 13th Berth day. It was very stressful times for everyone in America and Europe with the constant nuclear threat. It may sound strange now days but everyone was preoccupied with building bomb shelters and on how to survive the impending nuclear holocaust. No one was concerned that some orphans weirs being physical or in some cases sexually abused. So all the so called normies that work there was taking out all there frustrations of the world by lining us up and slapping and hitting use kids very chance they got. It wasn’t just the 2 or 3 times a day that we where lined up that we where yield at and slapped around as hared as the 30 to 50 year old could slap us around. Any time your path crossed a staff person they would hall off and slap you across the face as hared as they could. But that was nothing compared to shower time when the House parents would reach their hand into your shower and tern the cold water completely off and the hot water on making you stand there burning in the hot water. They did in order so they could hit you as hared as they can with out leaving any bruises on there of 8 to 12 year old victims. Theses where daily currents for 7 years of my life. As bad as they where they where not as bad as my experiences with treatments for Post Traumatic Stress syndrome. The ETC destroyed me as a person and the medications gave me permanent tardeadiskonesea.

  • Duane Sherry, M.S.

    A wake-up call to the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI), the Treatment Advocacy Center, and other patient/”advocacy” groups:

    The long-term use of psychiatric drugs impedes recovery, and causes disability. Period.

    There are non-drug options…

    Lots of them -

    http://discoverandrecover.wordpress.com

    Duane Sherry, M.S.

  • http://discoverandrecover.wordpress.com Duane Sherry, M.S.

    A wake-up call to the National Alliance on Mental Illness (NAMI):

    The long-term use of psychiatric drugs impedes recovery, and causes disability. Period.

    Friends don’t let friends join NAMI.

    Duane Sherry, M.S.

  • http://none Pam

    People react to psych medicines in different ways. My son went on a new generation medicine when he was 20 after two hospitalizations. He gradually changed from very ill to well over the next nine years. He’s now off disability and working full time. Perhaps he would have gotten better on his own, but I think his few holidays from his primary medicine convinced him that he was better off with the prescription. It didn’t drug him; it allowed him to hold a job, feel more secure being with all types of people, and get an independent self-supporting life. That’s what he really wanted before and after his diagnosis of schizophrenia.

  • http://intothefaerywoods.blogspot.com Juliano

    In order to really understand how in the last 150 years this every growing ‘meds’ epidemic has continued into making BILLIONS of profits for the drug companies, and it being marketed (they spend millions on that. well…they can AFFORD to, right??) everywhere–you HAVE to research the philosophy behind it. You need to look at people/’thinkers’ from the past like Descartes, Wilhelm Wundt, Pavlov, etc—all contributing to a myth that animals and humans are machines.
    So many ‘loving’ parents now are SO dumbed down by all this propaganda that they willingly take their child to one of these ‘experts’ like a consumer takes their car to a mechanic and asks if it can be fixed and how long?…! THATS where’we’ at! People here who are accepting the mental illness myth, please look into its history. You are being had—BIG TIME. It is all about social control, and PROFITS, and is maintained via propaganda. As soon as you become AWARE of this propaganda it will cease to have effect. You will see through it.
    Now if you wonder what then could be solutions for all the various forms of psychosomatic distresses. Well understand that the pharma-psychiatrist cartel suppress alternative forms of help, and that their mechanistic model blames the person–believed to be a defective-machine, literally. So supporting them you continue this increasing oppression over all our and our CHILDRENS lives (we really REALLY owe it to our children to wake up to what is going on!). So this model blames the person, and this lets the system, the environment off the hook…..SEE? That is how it maintains itself. So take the ‘education’ system–that is usually taken for granted, but if you again checkout its history you will see it began as ENFORCED, and continues to be enforced. I ask you, is that natural? Yet you accept it as a given and will drug your children to accept it too. This is W R O N G. Please apply yourselves to research into all of this, that is all I encourage.
    When we see the roots of the problems we then have more power to solve what needs solving.

  • Brent Robbins

    Boston M.D.’s do not “refute” Whitaker’s argument. They provide counter-arguments, but they do not disprove Whitaker’s claims. Do not overstate the case of the Boston physicians. Remember, many M.D.’s have conflicts of interest due to financial ties to pharmaceutical industries.

  • http://www.siggyscafe.com/Blog Siggy

    My life was out of control. For seven years I was in and out of hospital(between 1965 and 1972) for a total of two years hospitalizations. Lithium put a ckeck on those breakdown although there was a price to pay: my kidney are not functioning well(I was pulled off of lithium in 1984). Tegretol replaced lithium. All that time I was maintained usually with two drugs(sometimes three). I was never on a cocktail of medication. The medication actually helped me. There are many people the medication doesn’t help. I am just lucky it does. I could not go on the way I was. It was too discouraging. I also saw a superb doctor for over ten years. It is not enough simply to take meds. Undestanding your situation takes a lifetime. And only some else can wealk you through it.

  • http://involuntarytransformation.blogspot.com Becky Murphy

    Robert Whitaker is a Science journalist. His thesis is well documented in my opinion. There were a couple comments made in this thread that accused him of being irresponsible for being “antimedication” which seems to infer that is a view expressed by Mr. Whitaker. This is not the case. In fact if you think about the reality of this issue; his work actually acknowledges the fact many claim that drugs helped, or still help them with no intolerable side-effects. On the other hand, psychiatry and advocacy groups fail to acknowledge survivors respectfully or civilly, who have experienced real harm and trauma, and belittle them and their valid complaints, more often than not.

  • jjhoward

    Psychiatric medicine and psychiatrists saved my psychotic son!

  • Anne

    According to Whitaker’s Mad in America site Nierenberg has served as a “retained consultant” for the following companies: Abbot Laboratories, AstraZeneca, Basilea Pharmaceutica; Brain Cells, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Eli Lilly, Epi-Q., Genaissance Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, Innapharma, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Jazz Pharmaceuticals, Merck, Novartis, Pfizer, PGxHealth, Schering-Plough, Sepracor, Shire, Somerset Pharmaceuticals, Takeda Pharmaceuticals, and Targacept.

    He has received grants/research support from Bristol-Myers Squibb, Cederroth, Cyberonics, Eli Lilly, Forest Laboratories, GlaxoSmithKline, Janssen Pharmaceutica, Lichtwer Pharma, Pfizer, Shire, and Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories.

    He has been a member of the speakers’ bureaus for Bristol-Myers Squibb, Cyberonics, Eli Lilly, Forest Laboratories, GlaxoSmithKline, Shire, and Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories.

  • Woppok

    In his early thirties, and a married father of one, my younger brother was ‘diagnosed’ as ‘paranoid schizophrenic’ and hospitalised. At the psychiatric hospital in my presence (on a visit to see him) I witnessed an adverse reaction (incl twisted facial gestures and shaking body movements) that the poor guy had that evening to his cocktail of ‘medication’. The white-coated nurses apologised and reassured me that ‘he’d be OK’. My brother was discharged home soon afterwards with ‘support’ by occasional visits from a ‘community psychiatric nurse’ (CPN). My brother apparently (hearsay evidence at inquest from CPN) could not get along with this person who absented himself, did not advise his supervisors and left my brother to his own devices. Some weeks later he was found dead (hanged).

    I tend to believe that psychiatry poisoned my brother, abandoned him, refused to advise his loving family of his situation and thus (as good as) killed him. We – his three brothers – visited the hospital and were seen for 10 minutes by the doctor/psychiatrist treating my brother. All that person could say was that ‘the taboo was broken’ and that we, his siblings, were all at risk of suicide, presumably. At the inquest several medical testimonies were accepted nem con: no discussion or cross-examination was permitted by the coroner.

    Since then, over 20 years ago, I have achieved a PhD in the psychology school at an Irish university and now work as a psychotherapeutic consultant in suicidology. I welcome Robert Whitaker’s book. It is time to remove the financial shackles that inexorably bind psychiatry to the pharmacological industry making billions of dollars from the (mostly) unhealed misery of thousands of people, most of whom would be more compassionately and successfully cared for by psychotherapists expert in the humanistic therapies.

    Psychopharmocology is a cheapskate sticking plaster that soaks up billions of dollars for vested interests. It may seem to temporarily may mask out the reality of clients’ agonising human pain of living but the psycho-medication industry and its supporters appear to have no objection to getting people as ‘hooked on drugs’ as any junkie. Time for humane doctors and nurses and all in the caring professions to wise up and learn how to heal people, including themselves, by ‘doing no harm’ through compassionate, empathic, therapeutic relationships.

  • http://selfgrowth.com/experts/dan_edmunds.html Dan L. Edmunds, Ed.D.

    When a distressed person enters the realm of modern psychiatric practice they are first confronted with what Laing terms as the ‘psychiatric ceremonial’. In this process, the experience of the person is not considered. Rather, the psychiatrist sits in a place of judgment, he being considered sane and stable, and determines by his subjective observation of behavior how the person is a deviant from what should be expected of him or her and then categorizes it and assigns it a label. There is no concern for the person’s experience, rather the person is seen as an ‘it’, as an object whose behavior is to be analyzed. Science is only able to examine what is, not what will be. It is based on duplication of results, but can we duplicate experience. When we merely look at behavior without understanding the context of it, we draw false conclusions. Understanding the context may lead us to see that the behavior is not truly meaningless after all. Frankl states, “An incurably psychotic individual may lose his usefulness but yet retain the dignity of a human being…a doctor, who would still interpret his role mainly as that of a technician would confess that he sees in his patient nothing more than a machine…but man is ultimately self-determining.”
    Laing states, “behavior therapy is the most extreme example of such schizoid theory and practice and proposes to think and act purely in terms of the other without reference to the self of the therapist or the patient, in terms of behavior without experience, in terms of objects rather than persons. It is inevitably therefore a technique of nonmeeting, of manipulation, and social control.’ Experience is the soul of psychotherapy and we should note that the term psychotherapy literally means the ‘healing of the soul’. The therapeutic process should be a meeting of two human beings, it should be the sharing and understanding of experience. Laing states that “I see you and you see me. I experience you, and you experience me. I see your behavior and you see my behavior. But I do not and never will see your experience of me.” It is popular today to look at individuals’ behaviors merely as the result of chemical processes or the effects of so called chemical imbalances. But then we must ask the question as Laing did- do chemicals come together because they love each other? Do atoms explode because they hate one another?
    So often we seek to ignore experience. Laing notes the invalidation of experience by such comments as ‘that never happened’, or the trivialization of
    experience, or to invalidate its content by such words as “it wasn’t really that way’ or ‘how can you think such a thing?” We must realize that we exist in an existential vacuum, and it is these things that lead to the development of aggression, addiction, depression. Our behaviors are how we communicate distress; they are for some the only form of communication they know. Their behaviors communicate to us a glimpse of their experience. “If our experience is destroyed, our behavior will be destructive. If our experience is destroyed, we will have lost our selves (pg.28).” The therapeutic process is a shamanic voyage, a journeying with another person. But can two human beings truly come together? Are there too many barriers? Can we put aside our affiliations, our ethnicities, our religions, and all the other things that set us apart? Can we come together completely bare and share in the human condition?

    -Dan L. Edmunds, Ed.D.
    http://selfgrowth.com/expers/dan_edmunds.html

    • D.Burdick

      That aloofness is a stance of Authority which is for the benefit of the Doctor HE is trained to know HE is something. “And He Shall Rule Over Thee” is an article on the Malleus Maleficarum.
      Legal Authorities detecting the illegal, the different - those operating outside of church and prince Mandate, they have The Authority as this comes from a supra-natural realm of ultimate reality. (IE, our Society is based on torture and insanity.) When you use the word “subjective” that is your assesment (like my saying insane) but don’t confuse this - the Psychiatrist is Objective. They are Scientific. They are Authority.

       The  psychiatric ceremonial where one appears before their desk, pen, tape recorder,  receptionist, suit and the D.S.M. is their Scientific Investigation of the natural  phenomena. From an aloof Rational non-interfering analytical Objective standpoint they look down on, explain and examine their Subject, the phenomina. Their Professional Opinion is the Diagnosis, this is based on Clinical Interview, “Psychometric Tests,” The D.S.M. and other authoritative books from the Ivory Towers. The Neutonian Scientific Method is aloof and objective. They are Rational and their Charges are Irrational, Disreputable, Subjective and Disordered/ly. Psych Treatments are concrete material and quanitifiable – doses of drugging pharmakeia chemicals – doses of electricity through the temples. Psychiatry is a mixture of such social messages all terrible.

      Quantifiable phenomena Newtonian, Authoritative Prominate. Aloof rational objective

      They supressed actual Chemical treatment in 1973 with the Task Force #7 Report on Orthomolecular. Instead of using modern Psychiatric  chemical treatment it is wholely excluded (as apostate) and Magical demon-banishing punishing-control medicines are used. Only by completely excluding antioxidants, amino acids B-Vitamins and so forth can they pretend this charade makes sence. Diagnosis is by “Psychological eval” and treatment is by psychotropic neurotoxic drugging chemicals. Drug the Psyche. Thats Medicine. Believe it – or You may be Next. Life in the Dark Ages – the Dark Ages are not over (Kurt Vonnegut). Most of their Neuro drugging agents could be considered and even used in an honest way. This would involve having them (and other Different drug agents) viewed as part of a range of chemical treatments (rather than the occult-belief-system, ‘Neuropsychopharmacology,’ now foisted) with the Central chemical treatment items… not containing a Halogen, not being Patented… and being similar to biochemicals.

      Drug chemicals (without Fluorine) exist in Nature too. In Traditional Medicine (Herbalism) drug-agents such as Strictnine are used advisedly whereas powerful-enough non-drug Medicines are more central. The differention here is fairly clear, and reasonable (This is a good Current Idea rather than longstanding) so-called Drugs would be powerful,  toxic, xenobiotic, fast acting, and act by monkey-wrenching chemical operations in the host or the disease while Other Medicines are those of a more biological, non-toxic, synergistic  nature that influences rather than monkey-wrenches. Curcumin and Digitalis. Ginkgo 24% and Haldol.
      Dan Burdick, USA

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L4QA6L47YUH45LUTAY4XE2HZJY Elliander

      That’s very apt.

      Scientifically speaking we should consider that the Doctor’s presence is influencing the subject and therefore is influencing the observation. It should also be noted that a child is much less likely to open up in such a scenario. A child might simply be acting out because of abuse. There are many possible causes of problems that can be determined.

      Mental Illness is interesting in that it is the only accepted field of medicine which cannot be proven. No one can even prove the existence of mental illness. Back when drugs first started to be used Doctors believed that a brain was just the way it is and doesn’t change. In reality Neuroplasticity shows us how a mind can change completely within 21 days given the right environment. When a child is put in an environment of drugs and observations that child is developing new neural pathways to cope with the experience. Social norms learned in abnormal environments are taken with the child well into adulthood.

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  • MH

    It is incredibly frustrating that the above blurb would end with the claim, “Whitaker’s claims are refuted by academic psychiatrists here in Boston.” It can be assumed that this blanket statement is based on Dr. Nierenberg’s perspective, ignoring other views on the issue. For Mr. Whitaker’s response: http://www.madinamerica.com/madinamerica.com/Answering%20critics.html

    For another MD’s perspective: http://carlatpsychiatry.blogspot.com/2011/01/robert-whitakers-anatomy-of-epidemic.html

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_L4QA6L47YUH45LUTAY4XE2HZJY Elliander

    It’s actually pretty obvious: Children need to learn impulse control. They don’t automatically have it. If you give drugs to a child who is hyper active these drugs will prevent that child from learning properly. (often times a simple change in diet could curb the hyper active tendencies anyway). Many children given drugs at such a young age develop nervous ticks and problems such as anxiety and depression. These are all known side effects and can persist long after the drugs have been removed from the system… that is assuming the children even survive. A child is now more likely to die from Psychiatric Drug overdose than to be kidnapped and murdered.

  • Kingdomseeker49

    Hi im anthony yoder. i am trying to find everyone i can who has successfully gotten off anti psychotics for good..i mean years. and in particular those who stay off and also find they are not absolutely miserable..

    if any of you have yourselves, or know of the right site to look PLEASE tell me. good wishes and God bless.

    my email is kingdomseeker49@yahoo.com

  • http://www.facebook.com/dwmccannon David Wayne McCannon

    Robert Whitaker is correct about that these drugs make mental illness worse and increase the rate of disability.  I am one of the 4 million Americans on disability for mental illness.  Big Pharma and Psychiatry will deny this because the drugs are their main source of profit. 

  • Hans

    go to http://www.cchr.org/videos.html and watch the videos. This will answer all questions.

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