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The Governor On Leading A Post-Bombing Commonwealth

Gov. Deval Patrick in the Radio Boston studio  on Monday May 13, 2013.  (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

Gov. Deval Patrick in the Radio Boston studio on Monday May 13, 2013. (Alex Kingsbury/WBUR)

The events of April 15 and the week that followed shocked and perhaps changed this city forever. For our civic leaders, the Marathon bombings and the investigation that followed, including the lockdown of much of Greater Boston, represented a rare and difficult test.

On our program, we’ve heard from law enforcement officials, from mayors, from first responders and from victims. Today, we hear from Gov. Deval Patrick, who led the commonwealth through those difficult days.

During that dark week, Patrick spoke eloquently at an interfaith service about how the attacks at first challenged his religious faith, and about his determination not to let an act of terror undermine a set of ideals and values that define the country’s civic faith.

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Deval Patrick, governor of Massachusetts

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Radio Boston, “When doctors and nurses, police and firefighters and EMTs and guardsmen run towards explosions to treat the wounded, that’s discipline. When exhausted runners, including our troops and veterans, who never expected to see such carnage on the streets back home, become first responders themselves, tending to the injured, that’s real power. When Bostonians carry victims in their arms, deliver water and blankets, line up to give blood, open their homes to total strangers, give them rides back to reunite with their families, that’s love.”

The Boston Globe, “‘When the Sox, the Celtics, the Patriots, the Bruins are champions again – to the chagrin of New York and Chicago fans – the crowds will gather and watch a parade go down Boylston Street. And this time next year, on the third Monday in April, the world will return to this great American city to run harder than ever and to cheer even louder for the one hundred and eighteenth Boston marathon. Bet on it!’ [President Obama] thundered.”


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  • Tony Horne

    Forgive me if this comes off as glib, but are you guys STILL talking about the marathon bombing in such detail?  To what end, precisely?    “..the world will return to this great American city to run harder than ever and to cheer even louder …” + questions to the mayor about what his BEST moment was…  take my word as a jaded post 9/11 new yorker, the boosterism, hero-worship, overanalysis and navel-gazing is self-consuming

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      well you guys did not have a slogan or tshirts. NYC totally dropped the ball with marketing their tragedy and we wont let that heppen here

      • midtempo

        Sorry but Disqus won’t let me delete a comment apparently so I have to leave this placeholder up.

    • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

      The objective is to diagnose the root causes of the rising tide of terrorism in 21st Century American culture.

      See, for example, this analysis:

      The Solution of the Fist
      Dostoevsky and the Roots of Modern Terrorismby John P. Moran, Associate Professor of Political Science and International Affairs, Kennesaw State University, Kennesaw Georgia

      • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

        do you really think its rising or just more of an ebb and flow? how far back does your analysis go?

        • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

          Dostoevsky goes back a century and a half.

          It’s not only a rising tide, it’s a tsunami.

          Here is how I model the War on Terror.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            whats great about Dostoevsky is he recongnised the importance of a comfortable couch

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            So, too, do most shrinks.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            i guess people who go to shrinks better not tell them about their gold watch

  • midtempo

    Was anybody in Watertown forcibly evicted from their home by the police?  It certainly appeared that way with the video footage and that might be unconstitutional.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      oh no no it was all voluntary ROFL you noticed how they backpedaled real fast to try to say it was voluntary after it was clear that it was not?

      • midtempo

        The “voluntary” part was the shelter-in-place order that Governor Patrick issued, and the one that most people thought was mandatory.  The forced evictions of Watertown residents from their homes was a separate problem.  I haven’t heard much talk about that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          seems like they want to gloss over all of that and the media is complacent.to me thats a huge issue bigger than the bombings themselves because it relates to our basic liberties and the extent of govt power. the fact the media does not really discuss it is troubling

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            Taboo or Not Taboo?  That Is the Question.

            Some troubling stories are hard to tell, even for journalists who are gifted at telling troubling and disturbing stories.

            I reckon that’s why we invented novels.

            Fiction is a great scam.  You get to tell the truth while pretending to lie.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            comedy is the same ,its saying things that cause cognitive dissonance because they are so close to the truth 

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            Precisely so.

            Case in point …

            The War on Terror

  • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

    It’s no secret that we live in increasingly unpredictable, turbulent, and chaotic times.

    It’s a cliché that many of our institutions are dysfunctional, at times verging on the brink of epic malfunction.

    And it’s also a given that government officials fervently believe in the Rule of Law.

    But it’s also no secret (at least to mathematicians and others well-versed in the STEM disciplines) that rule-driven systems are known to be mathematically chaotic. The body of knowledge that explores this observation is called Recursion Theory and Chaos Theory. And it’s also known that the insightful solution to the hellish problem of untamed recursions is to be found in the mathematics of Feedback Control Theory, Systems Science, and Cybernetics.

    My question for Governor Deval Patrick is this:

    To what extent do high-level government officials appreciate the 20th Century breakthroughs in the STEM disciplines that reveal that rule-based systems are not inherently orderly, stable, or well-regulated (as has been naively believed for some 4000 years), but are inherently chaotic and a never-ending source of liminal social drama (such as the liminal drama that Boston experienced in the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings).

    To what extent are high-level government officials prepared to evolve from anachronistic rule-based regulatory systems to function-based models such as those pioneered in Systems Science, Cybernetics, and our modern high-tech culture?

    For more background, see Our Place in the Cosmos and the role of STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics) in the advance of civilization.

    • midtempo

      You are among the few people that have (over)analyzed this so thoroughly.  Few other people have related this to chaos theory and models of society.

      • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

        Thank you.  As you probably realize, my analysis dates back a long ways before the events of last month.  I first wrote up Girard’s Model shortly after the Columbine School shootings in April of 1999.

    • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

      i would love if he was actually posed that question on a radio show

      • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

        Eventually Meghna and Anthony will come up with a way to address these issues, which are more of a long-range philosophical nature than an immediate or ephemeral news story that will soon fade.

        The issues I raise have burbled along for some 4000 years without resolution.  They probably won’t be resolved in my lifetime.  But I only have an estimated 16 more years on this planet before it’s “lights out” for me.  Eventually our most visionary leaders will have to take these question up.

        See my personal blog for further reflections on such long-term issues.

        • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

          what are your thoughts on a jubilee?

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            I don’t expect to live long enough to witness a genuine jubilee.  They are supposed to come every 50 years, but that model seems to have become obsolete.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            its been at least 50 years since the last one

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            What event do you identify as the last Jubilee?

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            its been since at least ancient times as far as i know. perhaps like a modern olympics we could have a modern version

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            It is long past time to liberate the oppressed and to forgive the unconscionable burden of debt placed upon young scholars and struggling members of the working class.

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            where ever you have a system of interest a few people end up owning everything then everyone else freaks out so to stay and power they had a jubulee.

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            It was a Reset Button.

          • Dataninja

            Maybe they could hire you to do the weather report?

            http://youtu.be/yN2_5jlpMFM

        • midtempo

          “Lights out”?  What does that mean?

          • midtempo

            Nevermind you’re saying you are old.  I thought you meant you were going to shelter in a survival camp or something…

          • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

            i think thats “Bug out” lol

          • http://profiles.google.com/barry.kort Barry Kort

            Nah, I’m just pointing out that if I have anything of value to offer, this is probably the last model off my assembly line.

  • http://www.facebook.com/futo.buddy Futo Buddy

    boo to deval for the two lockdowns in the past year

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